The
Tatas Transformed
Business Today March 2002
There's a simple yardstick that drives
the choice of new business: it must have the potential
to be among the top three leaders in its market; its
returns must be greater than the cost of capital employed;
and economies of scale.
He
spent the 1990s restructuring his group. Now, Ratan
Tata is making up for lost time by snapping up state-owned
companies and focussing on branded products and services.
The goal: to double the Rs. 41,000-crore Tata Group's
sales every four years; its profits, every three.
From
The Editor
The other day, the CEO of one of India's biggest telecom
businesses remarked that the ideal business philosophy
is one that combines the aggressiveness of the Ambanis
and the ethics of the Tatas. The problem is that it
can be rather tough to combine those attributes. Given
an imperfect government whose policies regarding business
often lack clarity and focus, the two may even seem
mutually exclusive. Yet a corporate philosophy that
draws on these two attributes can probably make for
the perfect blend.
Purely
coincidentaly, this issue has features on both, the
Tatas and the Ambanis. Both have been making news. The
Ambanis announced a mega merger, which will now catapult
Reliance into the Fortune 500 league, and bring a rafter
of benefits for their oil and petrochemicals businesses.
At the Tata group, the news hasn't been that sensational.
Yes, there were the successful bids for VSNL and CMC,
the success (albeit after a hiccupy start) of the Indica,
the decision to go public with what may be India's most
valuable IT company yet and so on. But our story looks
at the bigger picture. And in sharp focus is Ratan Tata,
who completed 10 years as chairman of the group last
year.
In
a sense Tata has been quite unlucky as a CEO. In 1991,
when J.R.D. Tata handed over the baton to him, he was
already 54. And while younger business groups made the
most of the 1990s, grabbing new growth opportunities,
Tata had to spend a major part of the decade setting
the house in order. One of his first achievements was
to enforce an already existing, but rarely adopted retirement
policy for CEOs of group companies. Unluckily for him,
this led to more than one protracted battle with the
group's well-entrenched satraps. His other task was
to increase the group's shareholding and, hence its
control over companies in its fold.
Unfortunately
for Tata, these two mundane tasks became the most visible
ones during the 1990s. Few noticed the number of other
changes that took place. For instance, in the past 10
years, Tatas exited 11 businesses and entered 15 new
ones. On another dimension, the group, which has historically
been heavily skewed towards manufacturing, tried to
shift gears and move into branded products and services,
which release more value.
Our
story looks at how Tata has tried to transform one of
India's most respected business groups and the world's
best known Indian corporate brand. Tata himself spent
over two hours for an interview where he talked about
his achievements, the group's future, and even gave
us a peek into what kind of a successor he would like
to take over from him when he calls it a day at the
end of 2007.
Sanjoy Narayan
Over
the last 10 years, Ratan Tata has quietly entered 15
new businesses, exited 11, and herded the rebellious
Tata companies into a cohesive group.
Tata
now wants to double revenues every four years, and profits,
every three. His secret weapon: branded products and
services.
By R. Sridharan
Tata's
Diktat
Globalise:
With economies opening up, Tata companies are aiming
for global benchmarks to compete.
Be Skill-Intensive: With manufacturing ceasing
to be India's advantage, the thrust is on knowledge-based
industries.
Build Brands: Shift from selling commodities
to marketing branded products and services that not
just differentiate but fetch a premium.
Leadership: To justify shareholder interest,
Tata companies must be among the top three in their
industries.
Enhance Performance: Executives must pull their
weight, and the best of them must get opportunities
across functions and group companies.
Push Growth: Double revenues every four years,
and net profits, every three. Size matters.
At
the shareholders' agreement signing ceremony for VSNL
in Mumbai on February 13, 2002, Ratan Tata was his characteristic
quiet self. Even as the Information Technology minister
Pramod Mahajan urged the audience-comprising, among
others, Kumar Mangalam Birla of the A.V. Birla Group
and Rajeev Chandrasekhar of BPL - for more aggressive
play in the government's disinvestment programme, Tata
sat poker-faced at one end of the dais. He had plenty
of reasons to let on a smile, through. After all, a
giant was stirring.
The
Rs. 1,439 crore purchase of a 25 per cent stake in Videsh
Sanchar Nigam Ltd. (VSNL) - the biggest disinvestment
deal so far - gives the Tatas a 100 per cent share of
the hitherto monopoly international long distance market,
and a leading share of the internet services market.
Earlier, the closely-held Tata Consultancy Services
had acquired another state-owned company, CMC, consolidating
its leadership in the retail banking solutions business,
and thus edging closer to the $1-billion (Rs. 4,700
crore) revenue mark - the first for an Indian software
company.
There
are reasons for jubilation in other parts of the group
as well. Tata Engineering seems to have overcome quality
problems in its small car Indica with a new V2 version,
which is moving the metal like never before; in January,
the company also unveiled a 1.4-litre sedan built on
the same Indica platform, adding another car to its
lonesome portfolio. And Tata Steel, despite the global
slump in the steel industry, managed to emerge stronger
after three years of intense restructuring and downsizing.
Today, it is one of the lowest cost steel producers
in the world.
The
two-year-old acquisition of the British tea brand Tetley
is already making financial sense. In the current fiscal,
the company upped its market share in the UK by 4 percentage
points to 23 percentage points, and gross profits by
a staggering 34 per cent. It now appears that the Tatas
$270 million (Rs. 1,890 crore) investment in Tetley
may start yielding returns ahead of schedule. Morale
in the group is, understandably, sky high. "It's
like a surge of electricity going through the group,"
says R.K. Krishnakumar, Chairman, Tata Tea, and also
a director on the board of Tata Sons, the group's holding
company.
The
Takeoff
That surge of electricity - not unnoticed by merchant
bankers, now crawling all over Bombay House, the group
headquarters - is in fact the spark that the group was
looking for to rocket itself into a new orbit of growth.
In 1991, when a shy and reclusive Ratan Tata took over
the chairmanship of the group from uncle J.R.D. Tata,
his priority was not new businesses or even growth.
It was something much more immediate-and arduous. It
was to turn a loose confederation of companies, controlled
zealously by powerful satraps, into a group that thought
and acted like one. The challenge, however, wasn't merely
of ousting powerful chieftains like Russi Mody of Tata
Steel, Ajit Kerkar (Indian Hotels) or Darbari Seth (Tata
Chemicals). In most companies, including Tata Steel
and Tata Engineering, Tata Sons' holdings were precariously
low.
That's
possibly why while relatively upstart groups like Reliance,
Videocon and even Essar were expanding their businesses
in the 90s, the Tatas were busy trying to herd their
flock together. "From the outside (that) may not
look very much, but I think the first phase of what
we were trying to do was to create an integrated group,"
says Tata, who uncharacteristically has even acquiesced
in the hiring of a new agency for some hi-decibel PR.
Still,
the 95-company, 2.25-lakh employee group does appear
a lot different from what it was a decade ago. In that
time it has forayed into at least 15 new businesses,
and exited 11 (See Tatas By The Numbers). That means
a third of the group's business have been churned over
since Tata took over. The strategic tenor has changed
too. For one, there is a shift happening from commodity
businesses to brand-led products and services. Consider:
brand businesses fetched about a fifth of sales and
profits in 1990-91; today they account for half of the
revenues and 58 per cent of net profits. "The fact
that one-third of the portfolio has been reviewed would
imply that in some mysterious way (we) have been at
it," says
R. Gopalakrishnan, Executive Director, Tata Sons.
Tatas
By the Numbers, Despite sell-offs...
|
Businesses exited
|
Buyer
|
Value realised
(Rs. crore)
|
| Cosmetics (Lakme) |
HLL |
256.0
|
| Pharmaceuticals (Merind) |
Wockhardt |
42.3
|
| White Goods (Voltas) |
Electrolux |
230.0
|
| Cement (Tata Steel) |
Lafarge |
550.0
|
| Taper Bearings (Tata Timken)
|
Timken |
120.0
|
| Cement (ACC) |
Gujarat Ambuja |
950.0
|
| Paints (Goodlass Nerolac)
|
Kansai |
98.6
|
| UPS (Tata Liebert) |
Emerson |
77.0
|
| Oil Drilling (Hitech Drilling)
|
Aban Lloyd |
77.6
|
| IT/Telecom Hardware |
JV Partners |
325.0
|
| (JVs with Tata Industries)
|
Lucent IBM |
|
...and diversifications...
|
Businesses entered / acquired
/ expanded
|
Investment
(Rs. crore)
|
| Auto Components (Taco) |
150
|
| Passenger Cars (Tata Engineering)
|
1,700
|
| Retailing (Trent) |
120
|
| Cold-Rolled Steel (Tata
Steel) |
1,600
|
| Captive Power Units (Tata
Power) |
1,860
|
| Hotels (Indian Hotels) |
500
|
| Tetley (Tata Tea) |
1,890
|
| Internet Services (Tata
Industries) |
65
|
| Insurance (Tata AIG) |
250
|
| Telecom (Tata Teleservices/
Cellular) |
1,170
|
| Telecom Infrastructure (Tata
Power Broadband) |
500
|
| Assorted Financial Services
(Tata Finance) |
100
|
| CMC (Tata Sons) |
152
|
| VSNL (Tata Sons and Others)
|
1,439
|
| Total |
11,469
|
The new business realities have
also made the historically benevolent group clinical
in its business strategy. Over the last 10 years, product
lines that showed no promise of becoming segments leaders
were dispensed with. Even today, there is a lot more
scope for sell-offs, considering that about half-a-dozen
companies fetch 85 per cent of the topline and 90 per
cent of the profits.
The decade-long restructuring
has helped Tata streamline the group along seven business
segments: engineering, chemicals, communications and
information systems, materials, consumer products, energy,
and services. A Group Executive Office (GEO) interfaces
between the principal shareholder (Tata Sons) and individual
companies, while 14 business review committees set the
strategic agenda for each of them. The performance goal,
as set by Tata, for these businesses is simple: to double
sales every four years and profits, every three.
From Commodities to Brands
But in a group where two of its biggest companies face
an uncertain future, that's easier said than done. Tata
Engineering is still deep into losses because the passenger
car division is yet to generate profits, and the commercial
vehicles business has been slammed hard by the downturn
in economy. And Tata Steel, despite its recent gains
in efficiency, operates in an industry with frightening
overcapacity world wide.
Stockmarkers are only too aware
of the problems the group faces. Since 1997, the stock
price of Tata Steel has more than halved to Rs. 104
(March 8, 2002) and that of Tata Engineering dropped
from Rs. 400 to Rs. 133. In that period FMCG giant Hindustan
Lever has more than doubled its stock price to Rs. 250
and tech major Wipro has rocketed from Rs. 24 to Rs.
2,000. Not Surprisingly, then, in BT's study of India's
500 biggest wealth creators (Feb. 17, 2002), Tata Steel
turned up at 496 and Tata Engineering at 469.
That reality is not lost on Tata.
Beginning yesterday, there's a simple yardstick that
drives the group's choice of new businesses: it must
have the potential to be among the top three leaders
in its market; its returns must be greater than the
cost of capital employed; and there should be economies
of scale. Besides, it must fit in with the group's way
of doing business (read: ethically). "Now what
we are doing is not just looking at companies, but looking
at businesses within a company," says Tata, an
avid car enthusiast.
...the group is still manufacture-intensive
| |
Total Income
(Rs. crore)
|
Pat
(Rs. crore)
|
Engineering
(Tata Engineering Tata Communication, Tata Autocomp.
Sys)* |
11,428.0
|
-523.5
|
Materials
(Tata Iron and Steel, Tata SSL, Tata Sponge Iron) |
9,315.0
|
563.1
|
Energy
(Tata Power Co., Tata BP Solar) |
3,813.8
|
396.7
|
Chemicals
(Tata Chemicals, Rallis India) |
2,862.7
|
140.8
|
Consumer Products
(Tata Tea, Tetley, Titan Industries) |
4,543.6
|
24.7
|
Services
(The Indian Hotels Co., Tata AIG General Insurance,
Tata Finance) |
4,498.8
|
-226.7
|
Communication And Information
Systems
(Tata Consultancy Services, Tata Teleservices, Tata
Infotech) |
4,828.8
|
723.1
|
| Total |
4 1,290
|
1,098
|
"We are moving Tata Tea from a commodity business
to a truly consumer marketing business"
R.K. Krishnakumar, Chairman, Tata Tea
That scrutiny has made one thing
clear to him: the group's future lies not in capital-intensive
commodity industries like metals or chemicals, but less
capital intensive and more skill-based businesses like
infotech, telecom, hospitality, and biotechnology. Over
the next seven years, the group plans to invest upto
Rs. 11,000 crore in new businesses. Of that, more than
two-thirds will go into telecom alone (See Funding The
Future).
Across the group, though there
is an urgency to grow global, Tata Engineering, particularly
its passenger car business, is scouting for a partner
that can complement its small-car portfolio and ensure
survival at least in a niche segment. But the global
downturn in the auto industry is making that task harder.
Meanwhile, the company is exploring new markets in Latin
America, Africa, even Europe. Recently, the car-maker
tied up with Rover to market Indica in the UK. And at
the Geneva Auto Show in early March, Tata unveiled a
new concept car called Indiva, based on the Indica platform.
No time-frame for its launch has been announced, but
the car will likely be marketed in Europe. But the passenger
car business, long-term future hinges on it finding
a global partner-and quickly.
Information technology has always
been the group's original global business, but even
its hospitality arm, Indian Hotels is looking at expanding,
first, in South Asia and America and, later, Europe.
Taj Asia-a joint venture with the Chaudary Group of
Nepal-already operates two hotels in Maldives and three
in Sri Lanka. It is now looking at destinations such
as Bali and Phuket, and in another four to five years,
China. In the US, a newly-registered company is scouring
to buy either single premier properties or small groups
in two or three gateway cities.
In beverages, the 1999 acquisition
of Tetley has given the Tatas a much needed foothold
in the international market. Tetley's vast marketing
network can also be used to pump Tata's coffee and tea
products (the Tatas already have a 34 per cent stake
in the 72-store coffee chain, Barista). Here again,
the plan is to focus on brands and enter new markets.
Tetley, launched in India last month, will occupy the
premium end of the market, and also be exported to neighbouring
countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan. That apart,
Krishnakumar, who also heads the beverages business,
is looking at other related categories to enter. "We
are moving Tata Tea from a commodity business to a truly
consumer marketing business," he says.
After Tata who?
If there's any regret that Tata-a man of frugal habits-has,
it must be not having become the chairman any earlier.
When he took over from J.R.D. Tata in 1991, he was already
54 years old. Now, according to a retirement plan that
Tata himself introduced, the group executives must retire
at the age of 65-an age Tata attains end of this year.
Sure, he'll have another five years as the non-executive
chairman of Tata Sons, and can continue to steer the
group much the way he has so far. But what happens thereafter?
Succession issues, typically,
are critical. But in the case of the Tatas, it is more
so. The new heir to the empire must not only consolidate,
but grow whatever Tata has achieved over the last 10
years. There are a few possible contenders, including
Tata's half-brother Noel, and one of the two sons (Shapoor
and Cyrus) of Pallonji Shapoorji Mistry-a significant
shareholder in Tata Sons. Alternatively it could be
an outsider like-going purely by the grapevine-Nusli
Wadia of Bombay Dyeing or Keki Dadiseth of Unilever.
Tata is mum, but no matter who the successor is, he
will need to have the charisma to keep the group together
and move it in a single, forward direction. Admits Tata:
"The challenge would be to find a person who embodies
(the Tata) values and has that kind of objective."
Such a dominant leadership would
be all the more important when new businesses are to
be funded. Should the performance of the group worsen,
then sister companies may resist funding projects not
core to their own activities. Deals like VSNL-bankrolled
by Tata Power and Tata Steel, besides Tata Sons and
Tata Industries-may then be harder to make. Indeed,
ask Tata what he would want to be most remembered for
and he puts it simply: "If I could leave behind
a group where companies occupy leadership positions,
imbibe the same value system, are manned by younger
people and are more agile, I would, from wherever I
am, consider that fine." His next five years will
determine whether or not Ratan Naval Tata has a proud
retirement.
Kishore Chaukar, MD, Tata
Industries
Managing Director, Tata Industries, which spearheads
the group's new ventures: "The telecom market is
constantly changing, but the movement availability comes
in, the demand booms, and when prices go down, a new
set of customers comes in." It is this exponential
growth that the Tatas want to cash in on.
Funding The Future
Over the seven years, the group will be spending more
than Rs. 10,000 crore in new investments. More than
two-thirds of it will be in telecom alone, simply because
the total bill for VSNL (Including an open offer for
an additional 20 per cent that the Tatas are required
to make) will be about Rs. 2,500 crore. Insurance will
take away another Rs. 600 crore, besides which Indian
Hotels will need money to fuel its overseas growth.
The problem, however, is that neither telecom nor insurance
will be adding to the cash flow. For example, the telecom
business could take another five years before it starts
generating profits. Similarly, insurance business (the
Tatas have a tie-up with AIG for both life and non-life)
doesn't usually turn profitable until the seventh year.
So, where is all the money going to come from? A good
part of it from the TCS IPO. Although only a 10 per
cent of the company is to be floated, at the current
Industry multiple of 30, it could mean Rs. 3,000 crore.
Ishaat Hussain, Finance Director,
Tata Sons
Then, there are smaller companies that will keep getting
sold and generate some cash. Says Ishaat Hussain, Finance
Director, Tata Sons. "That's a sensible thing to
do, but that alone can't be the driving force (for cash
generation)". Therefore, group companies will need
to tap their own accruals and borrow to supplement funds.
Hussain says that new investments will typically have
a 1:1 ratio of debt and equity.
"Given that a third of the portfolio has been reviewed,
it would seem that the group has been at it."
Interview with Ratan Tata
"My Successor Won't be My Carbon Copy"
Ask Ratan Tata what's the first thing he thinks of every
morning and he replies without batting an eyelid, "Coffee".
The funny thing about it is that he probably means it.
Never mind that he has 95 companies to manage and 22.99
lakh investors to answer to. But that's quintessential
Tata: down-to-earth, witty and plain speaking, if a
little shy and reclusive. even today, this licensed
Falcon 2000 pilot-an architect by education -will fly
his own plane while doing his whirlwind tours in the
country. And given half a chance, he would rather cruise
around in his new indy red Chrysler Sebring than sit
through board meetings. Two days after the Tatas bagged
VSNL, Tata sat down with BT's Sanjoy Narayan and R.
Sridharan for a two-hour interview on his decade gone
by and the one ahead.
Excerpts:
There have been a lot of major
visible changes happening over the last few years. How
do you look back in terms of what you had in mind when
you started off in 1991 and what you have achieved 10
years later?
A. When we undertook the restructuring exercise,
it was the first major restructuring the Tata Group
had undertaken. Earlier, the environment was so protected
that you didn't have to do any major restructuring.
The first phase of restructuring required some basic
foundation building. We developed a common corporate
identity for our group companies, leveraging the strengths
of the Tata brand. The group companies were required
to sign an agreement to use the Tata brand, which entailed
compliance with the quality standards and business ethics
that we codified at that time. We developed the Tata
Business Excellence Model to measure the quality and
corporate performance of our companies, and required
them to achieve specified levels of performance in order
to continue to use the Tata brand.
We then instituted the Business
Review Committees (BRCs), which constituted the formal
interface between the group and our companies. Keeping
in view the legal authority vested with the boards of
our companies, we integrated the memberships of the
BRCs with the Executive Committee of each individual
board. The BRCs review the strategic direction of each
company, and the Executive Committee of each board reviews
the operations and the budget of the company.
To oversee the entire restructuring
exercise, we created a central group which we called
the Group Executive Office (GEO). Its primary task was
to look at the strategic direction of each of our companies,
in the process of which it set some tasks for our companies
in term of bottomline and topline growth based on historical
growth trends, as also industry leadership in terms
of being number one, two or three. Ultimately, the GEO
takes a view on the fitment of companies within our
group.
The GEO has also put in place certain important hooks
such as a central HR, and central financial coordination
with a view to standardize the MIS systems of our companies
for financial reporting. The net result of all these
initiatives has been that we now operate more as a group
than we did in the past. This is a refreshing change
from the times when we prided ourselves as being a loose
confederation of companies, but what this really meant
was that each company had the stamp of its own CEO and
went its own way, and if you removed the name of the
enterprise you could be looking at different companies
with no connection to the Tatas.
You mentioned various steps
that you had taken. But what about increasing shareholder
value?
One of the first issues that struck me when we embarked
on the restructuring programme was that there were several
companies where it was really questionable whether we
had the right to manage, because our shareholding was
small. We therefore set ourselves a task to raise the
group's shareholding in these companies to at least
26 per cent. The biggest 12 companies in the group made
up 85-odd per cent of group sales and 90-odd per cent
of the group's profits, and so, in fact, a lot of what
I've said earlier was focused on these 12 companies.
Where in the past perhaps the boards of these companies
tended to focus more on statutory issues, the BRC process
forced them to look very critically at their businesses,
in terms of issues like where they are going, will they
be globally competitive, benchmarking against the best,
and so on. Many of them had never done that before.
With the first phase of restructuring
behind us, what we are now doing is not looking at our
companies per se but rather at the businesses within
a company. We will look to shed businesses that do not
fit in our group, or that do not make business sense
for our companies, and ensure that companies focus on
their core businesses.
There has been talk about a movement from commodities
to branded services and products. Would you tell us
more about that?
I don't think that is a direction
where we have put some specific goals in place. We just
saw that we have a unified brand that we can leverage.
There were many products that could have been branded
but were not branded in the past because it didn't seem
to matter. Now we have put a strong focus on what we
could brand.
More importantly, we have been gravitating to the realisation
that India will not be the factory of the world like
China or Korea. The focus, therefore, from our side
is much more on looking at industries or businesses
that are not so much capital-intensive as skill intensive
or technology intensive.
Is there a future for Tata
Engineering at least in the passenger car segment without
an alliance partner?
Smaller auto companies (globally) will have to look
for market niches to operate. In the case of Tata Engineering,
the niche may be the lower-end car. The unfortunate
part is that the lower-end market does not offer much
by way of margins.
But you need volumes and that kind of scale, and production
processes that will give you those advantages. That
is what we have to look for. And there we can even stand
on our own if we find markets beyond the shores of India.
All that would come from having a niche product that
is globally competitive.
Our challenge today would be
to make the Indica globally competitive in terms of
costs. If we can find markets to sell 20,000 or 30,000
more Indicas, then we are looking at a very interesting
set of numbers. If you add variants to those numbers,
you are looking at very reasonable numbers. Then you
are in the niche. And if you focus on that niche, invest
in technologies required to give that one platform all
the variants and changes that you need, you survive.
What about Tata Steel?
Unlike the car business, which reflects emotive purchases,
steel is a commodity. Today, we have enormous global
overcapacity. And there is more to come. What has hit
the global market is the entry of China. It produces
over a hundred million tonnes of steel. That means it
is a bigger steel producer than the US. And it was nothing
a few years ago. Today, China is absorbing all that
steel, but when its development process starts to taper
off, its steel will hit the world market at whatever
price China chooses to apply.
In such a global context, Indian
steel markets will play a relatively minor role. Certainly,
to the extent that Tata Steel can compete with other
branded steel products in India, it will have the Indian
market available to it and it will depend on the economy
of India in terms of its domestic off-take. But overall,
I think it will be tough to go for the entire steel
industry, and Tata Steel, which may gave in the past
exported products, will not have the same arena to play
in.
You have been quoted as saying
that your dream is to have a Chairman who is 40 years
old. Is it a pointer to what might happen in the future?
I didn't quite say that. What I did say was that
I wanted our companies to be led by people in their
40s, and that could also hold for the chairman of the
group. That would be something I would be happy to see.
When I came on to the scene, I was very young in comparison
to other CEOs in the group, a number of whom were in
their 70s and a couple even in their 80s. I saw ageing
CEOs who didn't leave their offices, seldom interacted
with people, never visited the plants and certainly
didn't visit the market place. I felt that it was a
very great weakness that we had. So, despite some turbulence,
we reintroduced our retirement age and put that into
force.
Recently there has been a fair amount of pressure that
the retirement age should not apply to me, which I have
been quite openly fighting and saying that it should
be applied uniformly to all. And to pre-judge your next
question, I would say that I have a responsibility to
identify my successor. When I turn 65 this December,
I will step down from my executive function, which is
today only in Tata Sons, where I am the Executive Chairman.
But I will remain the non-executive Chairman and we
will function the way we have over the years. I will
also contine to be.....? the non-executive Chairman
of the companies I have. At the age of 70, I will step
down and away from the group, and there will be somebody
who will take over as the Chairman of Tata Sons and
he will be identified and designated a couple of years
before I leave.
But would that person do something
that you have done over the last 10 years? Try to bring
the group together, keep the values intact...
I would hope so and in fact the challenge would
be to find the person who embodies those values and
has that kind of objective. In every case of an outgoing
chairman, the most difficult decision is whether you
have made the right choice.
If I could just go back to the day I took over, I had
to ask myself some very hard questions. I was wearing
the boots of a person who was a legend, and I asked
myself, what should I do? And, I decided, the worst
thing I could do was to copy him or be him, because
I could never be J.R.D. Tata. So what I should do is
just be myself, operate on the values that I had in
me anyway, and do whatever I thought was right for the
group. Similarly, I should not look for someone who
is my carbon copy. That would be wrong.
You had the advantage of a
Tata surname that commanded respect from the constituents,
the stakeholders, and the partners. Would the new Chairman
have that advantage?
Maybe not. And sometimes, it is better. When I came
in, I faced a fair amount of dissidence that was not
visible outside. There were other aspirants for this
job who were not Tata, and so I was not the person whom
everybody fully accepted. Hence I had to earn my spurs.
A person who comes in with that name may have some advantages
and some disadvantages.
Again prejudging your next question:
why hasn't someone been identified? I think the time
to do it is two or three years before you are ready
to go. Maybe identify two or three people who are likely
to be in the race. Let it then be a collective decision
of the board in terms of who it is to be. Of course,
the Chairman should influence that strongly and let
that person be in place and let there be an overlap.
Finally, make sure you are not looking over his shoulder
and let the successor operate.
Where do you see Indian Industry,
and your group within it, over the next five years?
What will be your growth thrust?
I would say that our emphasis would not be what
it was 15 years ago, looking at capital-intensive industries,
for the simple reason that it is difficult it attain
world-scale in the country, given the size of the domestic
market. We will be looking more at technology-intensive
and skill-intensive areas, where scale is not such a
big issue but the tech-intensiveness or the skill-intensiveness
will be key. Which is why we have placed more emphasis
on the services side, on IT and telecom, but not on
the hardware side.
What kind of legacy do you
ideally want to leave behind?
I think I would like to leave behind a group that has
been transformed from a patriarchal kind of a structure
to an institutionalised structure, less susceptible
to personalities. A group that places greater demands
on performance than it has done before. But a group
that hasn't changed in terms of its value system or
its operating ethics. I would like to leave behind a
group that is full of younger people, much more nimble-footed
than it has been, reacting faster and being proactive.
If I could leave behind a group where the group companies
occupy leadership positions, imbibe the same value system,
are manned by younger people and are more agile, I would,
from wherever I am, consider that fine.
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