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Tatas to grow through acquisitions: Ratan
‘Image is being sullied; vested interest groups greatest hurdle for business’
Business Standard — September 30, 2002

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The 150-year old, Rs 45,000-crore Tata group is shedding its conservatism and looking at growing aggressively through mergers and acquisitions, including in steel, and sees major growth in the group’s IT and hospitality businesses coming from expansion outside India.

The group spans seven key sectors and has 80-odd companies in businesses as diverse as chemicals, engineering, steel, telecommunications and IT services. "In all the areas we are in, we will see growth through acquisitions rather than organic growth only. In steel also, we are looking at expanding capacity through acquisitions," group chairman Ratan Tata told Business Standard in an exclusive and candid interview.

In recent times, the group has acquired companies to expand its business portfolio. It acquired management control at Videsh Sanchar Nigam (VSNL) and CMC when the government divested part of its equity in them. Earlier, it acquired the UK-based company, Tetley, the tea company. Similarly, Tata Consultancy Services, a division of Tata Sons, is looking at acquiring IT companies overseas, and Indian Hotels is said to be on the brink of making an announcement on an overseas hotels acquisition.

On the succession issue, he said he would step down from the post of executive chairman on December 28, 2002, (when he turns 65) but would continue as non-executive chairman, a post that JRD Tata held all his life. In other words, nothing would change for another five years, by which time a successor will have been identified.

The group sees IT and telecommunications as the major growth drivers. "We have staked a great deal of funds and human resources in that. We will also see investments and no stagnation in the areas of steel and automobiles in India, where there will be growth also, both within India and outside," he said.

Tata expects a shootout in the telecommunications industry, with not more than three operators surviving in the long run. "I think there will be a shootout, but eventually there will be two significant players, possibly three. Today there are many more than that. I think the shootout will be for the smaller ones who will not be able to survive," he said.

Tata also said companies like Indian Hotels would focus on growing outside India, but would also grow at home. He noted India was missing "an enormous opportunity" in the hospitality and tourism businesses. Singapore had 7 million tourists and Hawaii 20 million. India could have 5-7 million tourists a year, he said.

Tata expressed concern at the domination of vested interest groups in the country’s policies. The country’s directions and policies are today dominated by vested interest groups, he said. They had a much greater impact on policies than they had in other countries, he added. He carefully clarified he was referring to vested interest groups within industry. "That in my view is the greatest hurdle to industry moving forward," he said.

Referring to the Tata Finance issue, Tata said the Tata group had got a bad press and that the group’s image had been sullied. "I believe that we have been damned for seriously bringing this thing out into the open," he said.

Tata said India had lost the opportunity to be the factory to the world, "which is definitely gravitating towards China". The domestic costs of manufacturing, power, fuel, and infrastructure costs and taxes on raw materials, all put together, create an environment which places domestically manufactured products at a disadvantage on a global basis.

The group has started looking at locations around the world which will enable group companies to become competitive. "We are about to embark in Tata Steel on taking ferro-chrome ore to South Africa, refine it and sell it to Japan because the power costs in South Africa are 50 cents a unit and in India it's something like five times that. Similarly, if you look at fertilisers, it is the same. Input costs are out of sync with what they are in other countries," Tata said. He said Tata Steel was competitive only because it has its own mines. But if the company were to "cost its ore on the same basis as Posco, we will not be the lowest-cost producer in the world," Tata said.

On the human resources front, the Tata group chairman disclosed the group was identifying 100-150 younger people in the group for leadership positions in the coming years. On Tata Engineering, he said the company would get a managing director. "Telco will have a managing director and I realise that is one gap," Tata said.

The group's earlier objective of doubling turnover every four years and profits every three years had been shelved, he revealed, because of the economic slowdown. "We were on our way to meeting those objectives. Then we went into what I call the demand recession. Many of our major companies like Telco and Tisco did badly, not at the same time but at different times. What it led me to do finally was to say that these objectives were out of sync with what was happening in the country and that we should focus on improving our margins, on restructuring individual companies and put these aside because they had no meaning today."

Tata said that the group's goals would be reinstated as soon as the economic climate revived. Tata noted that two group companies are doing much better. "Tata Engineering has improved its return on invested capital quite substantially from what it was two years ago, and to some extent so has Tata Steel." This, Tata said, would sooner or later reflect in the group's stock market performance, which he admitted was poor largely because new economy stocks were in flavour in the market.

Tata also pointed out that the group had progressively shifted from commodities to branded products and services. "There's been a tremendous shift to branded products as a percentage of the total since the time we started," he said.
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